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Is er iemand dat weet waarvoor de afkorting SO2 staat voor de Sturmpanzerwagen Oberschlesien experimentele tank? Ik veronderstel Sturmpanzerwagen Oberschlesien, maar waarvoor het cijfer 2?
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[Yvonne]

The Origins and Heritage of the Tank

Covered war carts had been used by the Scots against the English in the mid-15th century, and Leonardo da Vinci had sketched his famous "tank" design in the 1480s. Later centuries had seen attempts to create wind-powered "landships" and various steam-powered contraptions.
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Sirs, the victory in this war will belong to which of the two belligerents which will be the first to place a gun of 75 [mm] on a vehicle able to be driven on all terrain.
Lt. Col. Jean-Baptiste Eugène Estienne, 23 August 1914

It was Mr. Churchill who, as First Lord of the Admiralty, gave the first order for eighteen tanks, or "landships" as they were then called, on March 26, 1915. He did not inform either the War Office or the Treasury--an almost unprecedented and certainly unconstitutional reticence, dictated by fear that conventional minds might stifle a great idea.
Sir Winston S. Churchill, quoted in Colin Coote, ed., Maxims and Reflections, 1949

September 15, 1916: First tank attack in history during the Battle of the Somme at the village of Flers.

The tanks that first saw action at the Somme in September 1916 had, to a remarkable extent, been engineered out of the cultural imagination. Tank-like machines were featured in HG Wells' short story "The Land Iron Clads," a work of science fiction first published in the Strand Magazine in 1903.
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October 20, 1917: First successful large-scale attack integrating tanks with infantry attack at the Battle of Cambrai by the British Army.

The tank enables the main advantages of sea warfare, unrestricted movement, to be to a great extent superimposed on that of land warfare. . .
Major General JFC Fuller, principal planner of the British Tank Corps, 1918 Memorandum

April 24, 1918: First tank vs. tank action in history; German AV7 destroys two female (machine gun equipped) British Mark IV tanks but later received his comeuppance from some of their brothers at Villers-Bretonneux, Somme Sector.

June 1918: After overcoming early development problems, the French Renault FT-17 light tank, with the first fully rotating turret, sees service with French and American forces. Nearly 3,700 are delivered before the Armistice.

The French Renault light tank and the British Mark series heavy tanks contained severe technical limitations. With maximum speeds of only 6 mph, these tanks were hardly able to keep up with the infantry when crossing a shell-holed battlefield. When separated from the infantry, the tanks were vulnerable to [artillery and first-generation anti-tank] weapons and could not communicate with supporting artillery. These technical limitations, as well as numerous mechanical problems, justifiably confined the World War I tank to an infantry support role.
LTC Kenneth A. Steadman of the US Combat Studies Institute

August 8, 1918: Tanks play critical role in the successful British attack at the Battle of Amiens, called by General Ludendorff the Black Day of the German Army.

September 12-13, 1918: Lt. Col. George Patton takes personal command of the first American tank attack in history during the St. Mihiel Offensive.

. . .The internal-combustion engine which is ready to carry whatever one wants, wherever it is needed, at all speeds and distances. . .the internal combustion engine which, if it is armoured, possesses such a fire power and shock power that the rhythm of the battle corresponds to that of its movements.
General Charles de Gaulle, The Army of the Future, 1934

. . .The higher the concentration of tanks, the faster, greater and more sweeping will be the success--and the smaller our own losses. . .
Col.-General Heinz Guderian, Panzer Marsch!, 1937

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[Tandorini]

Link werkbaar gemaakt:

http://www.the-great-war-society.org/tanktheme.html

[Fritz Kempf]

Ik keek net eens de Quiz van 2008, de oplossingen. Ik vind het nog eens leuk om die te lezen. Maar er viel mij iets op. Namelijk de laatste vraag.

Slechts één Duitse tank overleefde de Eerste Wereldoorlog en staat nu in een museum te Australie. Noem het museum, het type van tank, zijn nummer en de naam die op de tank stond.

De oplossing was Queensland Museum en was de A7V. Namelijk 506 "Mephisto".


Ik denk dat er iets mij niet duidelijk is. In de Deutsches Panzermuseum Munster staat er een Stridsvagn m21/29. De Stridsvagn m21/29 was een aangepaste Duitse Leichter Kampfwagen II. Deze zou ook origineel zijn. En een originele Leichter Kampfwagen II (dus niet aangepast) staat in het tankmuseum van Axvall in Zweden.

Ik heb altijd gehoord dat de LK II een lichte tank is, daarom de benaming Leichter Kampfwagen (Lichte tank). Dus met andere woorden, de A7V in Australië is dus niet de enige bewaard gebleven Duitse tank uit de Eerste Wereldoorlog. Of heb ik het mis?
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[Tandorini]

Alle twee naoorlogs:

De Stridsvagn m/21-29:

[Yvonne]

World War I and Early Tank Warfare

World War I and Early Tank Warfare
First Tank Construction and Deployment During The Great War



Read more at Suite101: World War I and Early Tank Warfare: First Tank Construction and Deployment During The Great War http://ww1history.suite101.com/article.cfm/world_war_i_and_early_tank_warfare#ixzz0ePftsiBs
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[Fritz Kempf]

Hier een filmpje met allerlei Wo1 tanks. Er zijn enkele Wo1 exemplaren die er niet tussen staan. Twee tanks in het filmpje behoren niet tot de Wo1 tanks. Ik help jullie met een lijstje met de namen van de tanks dat ik graag voor jullie had geïdentificeerd (Vooral de (Heavy) Mark tanks en de FT17/6-ton/Fiat 3000 zijn moeilijk te onderscheiden).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbTvQOiGiWI

00:11 - 00:25 Mark V
00:26 - 00:51: Mark I
00:52 - 01:21 Mark IV
01:22 - 01:43: Mark V
01:44 - 01:51: Schneider
01:52 - 02:05: 6 Ton M1917 tanks (USA)
02:06 - 02:16: FT-17
02:17 - 02:40: Mark V*
02:42 - 02:57: Mark I
02:58 - 03:05: Mark IV
03:06 - 03:15: Mark V
03:16 - 03:53: Mark I
03:54 - 04:06: Medium Mark A Whippet (UK)
04:07 - 05:14: Mark IV
04:15 - 05:19: FT-17
05:20 - 05:28( Mark I or II
05:29 - 05:31: St Chamond
05:32 - 06:42: FT-17
06:43 - 07:10: Mark I
07:11 - 07:15: FT-17
07:16 - 07:31: Mark IV
07:32 - 07:39: Schneider
07:40 - 07:50: Mark I
07:51 - 08:00: Medium Mark A Whippet
08:01 - 08:08: Schneider
08:09 - 08:16: Mark IV
08:17 - 08:28: Mark V
08:29 - 08:38: T1E1 (Niet Wo1)
08:39 - 08:44: Fiat 3000 (Eind Wo1 - begin interbellum)
08:45 - 08:48: Mark IV/V
08:49 - 09:03: A7V
09:04 - 09:18: Mark IV
09:19 - 09:24: Schneider
09:25 - 09:47: Mark IV
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[moerasdraak]

Interessant. Op 2:09 Patton!

Het volgende zou ik ook wel eens willen doen .... driving a Renault FT 17 tank.

[Fritz Kempf]

[moerasdraak]

Maar da's toch gewoon een door Amerikanen gebouwde FT17, toch?

Hoe dan ook, lijkt me nog steeds leuk om een keer in te rijden

[Fritz Kempf]

[kieffer]

[Fritz Kempf]

En wellicht zijn de oudere plannen geschonken of verkocht aan de VS. Maar wat ik zei werd mij verteld uit het Patton Museum....wat betekend, het kan bijna onmogelijk zijn dat de info niet klopt.
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[kieffer]

[ het kan bijna onmogelijk zijn dat de info niet klopt.[/quote]

...heb ik ook niet gezegd...

[Fritz Kempf]

[kieffer]

[Fritz Kempf]

[pifilsofimos]

Heeft iemand info wanneer deze tanks werden ingezet of waar ze zich precies bevonden langs de Meense weg ? Maakten ze deel uit van het tankkerkhof uit 1917 ?
Op de ene tank staat de naam 'Alcibiades' en op de andere 'Beautiful Vale'.


De foto's werden gemaakt in april 1919 door René Matton uit Proven.

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[Yvonne]

http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?record=ART2724&_IXMENU_=news_and_events

Coming Soon… The Virtual Tank Museum!
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One of the tanks waiting to move forward

Fighting in Champagne. Troops with an Allied tank preparing to go into action, in France, during World War I. British and the French soldiers with one of the tanks that were at the cutting edge of new military technology during World War I. Both Britain and France produced tanks in large numbers in the last years of the war. First used at the Somme in September 1916, the true effectiveness of tanks only became apparent during a successful Allied attack at Cambrai in November 1916.

The Champagne region of France at the southern end of the Western Front remained one of the most entrenched areas of conflict throughout the war.

[Original reads: 'Fighting in Champagne. One of the Tanks waiting to move forward.']

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Mark IV Tank - "Grit"

The British Mark IV Female Tank Serial 4643 commanded by Captain N L Brown, was sent to Australia to assist in raising War Loans. It's first stop was Adelaide in September and after a public naming competition the name 'Grit' was bestowed on the tank by Lady Galway, the wife of the South Australian Governor.

The tank then moved onto Melbourne and was exhibited at the Royal Agricultural Show where it was just as popular as it was in Adelaide. In October the tank was railed to Sydney for display. An admission charge of eleven shillings was made for adults and three pence for children. For the sum of ten pounds ten shillings, a ride around a specially constructed circuit could be purchased and for five pounds five shillings, the tank could be inspected at close hand.

The tank was used in few displays during 1919 and was placed in storage in the Army engineering depot in South Melbourne. It was later transferred to the Australian War Museum. Eventually 'Grit' was moved to Canberra. It was on display in ANZAC Hall at the Australian War Memorial until August 2008. The left sponson was removed and will be included in the 1918: Advancing to Victory exhibition at the Australian War Memorial.


Lees verder en bekijk de filmpjes:
http://www.awm.gov.au/exhibitions/advancing/MarkIV.asp
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[stijn]

Interssant filmpje!

Hier staan heel wat foto's over de tanks in Poelkapelle:

http://poelkapelle.wimme.net/fotos/tanks

Grtz,

Stijn
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The Refurbished Tanks



Militarism can be a nice hobby to join together people after the work in such place like a railroad department repair factory. Now, instead of indulging in something after the job’s done they can go instead and work on the refurbishing of a few Mark-V hundred year old tanks.
Those tanks Russian army had during the World War I and then after the Russian army has split in two parts as a result of Communists takeover in 1917 some of the tanks were left with the units opposing communists regime, but not for very long – the Red Army captured back the moving monsters and used them for a while.
Then after World War 2 they were left rusting in some villages while some enthusiasts paid attention on those amazing pieces of early twentieth century engineering genius and decided to repair them and then install as an attraction on the city’s street for general public view.

Nog veel meer foto's op http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2009/10/02/the-refurbished-tanks/
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[Yvonne]

Photographer: Thomas Frederick Scales
Tanks on parade in London at the end of World War I, November 1918
Dry plate glass negative
Reference No. 1/2-014078-G
Royal New Zealand Returned and Services' Association Collection, Alexander Turnbull Library, National Library of New Zealand

Find out more about this image from the " Alexander Turnbull Library.

Front tank (502): Mark V male, with later-style roof vent
Middle tank (832): Mark V or V* female, with unditching beam in place
Rear tank: Medium Mark A Whippet

View of Ludgate Circus; turning from New Bridge Street into Fleet Street

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[Lingekopf]

Wat een mooie foto!
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[Yvonne]

http://flic.kr/p/dQA6z

This photo was taken on March 14, 1918 in Wimbledon, London, England, GB.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ridgway/145277975/in/photostream/
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THE FIRST TANK CREWS

The life stories of those who crewed the first tanks in September 1916

Dedicated to the soldiers who fought in tanks at the Battle of Flers-Courcelette on 15 September 1916 and to Trevor Pidgeon, who died on 14 May 2008, who bought their actions to prominence in his book "The Tanks at Flers".

Many books have been written about the invention and development of tanks but there is little published about the men who fought in them for the first time. In May 1916, the first six companies were formed at Siberia Camp near Bisley in Surrey. The majority of the soldiers of 1st Battalion the Heavy Section MGC came from the Motor Machine Gun Service (MMGS) and the Machine Gun Corps (MGC) - few of whom had seen action. Others, who enlisted under the Derby Scheme, commenced training less than 4 months before they deployed. Their officers had little battle experience; a couple were from the Royal Naval Air Service; several had seen action in France and Gallipoli mainly as other ranks. Most of the tank "Skippers" were newly commissioned into the MGC on 14 April 1916 and not one had seen a tank or knew what they were expected to do.


Prachtig!
Lees verder:
http://firsttankcrews.com/
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Battles this Month ‐ September 1916
Flers Courcelette: Debut of the Tanks
http://forumeerstewereldoorlog.nl/viewtopic.php?t=25812
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Deze week in de podcast over 14-18:

Hoe de Britten bij Cambrai een doorbraak in de Hindenburg Linie proberen te forceren door de inzet van honderden tanks, waarvan er één gecommandeerd wordt door Wilfred Bion.


http://1418.mevio.com/
178 VA Wilfred Bion
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http://youtu.be/NCKJZlbRzn8

Tanks uit de Eerste Wereldoorlog: Tanks in actie tijdens de opmars van de geallieerden bij het Franse Langres in 1918.
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[de onbekende]

Leuk onderwerp. Ik heb nog niet zo lang geleden een documentaire over deze voertuigen gezien.

De stank en de hitte moeten onmenselijk zijn geweest.

[Scharfschütze]

Hallo beste mensen,

Ik heb een vraagje over de Saint Chamond, ik hoop dat jullie mij kunnen helpen. De wikipedia over de Saint Chamond, http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Chamond, zegt het volgende:

[Pegoud]

Hallo Scharfschutze en welkom op het forum. Ik zou je vraag even bij "Oproepen" plaatsen, dan krijg je waarschijnlijk meer respons.

Gr P
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[Yvonne]

Schitterende dingen weer:
Strangest Tanks in History, Part 1



From Early Tank Ideas to Enormous Pre-WW1 Steam Tanks

Cataloguing the machines of destruction may seem like a thankless job (when you think about how much pain and misery they brought to mankind), but the sheer ingenuity of military engineering is certainly fascinating. It's that "anything-goes, testing be damned, let's quickly put it into production" attitude that leads to frenzied arms races, as well as technology breakthroughs. This is how we ended up with laser-tanks, spherical bomb-tanks and nightmarish land dreadnoughts, in the short period of the last hundred years or so - all conceived and built by super-powers in the name of winning righteous wars (any war, it may be argued, can be considered "righteous" by their participants, if they absorb enough propaganda and ideology).

So we look at some of the weirdest tank examples here at Dark Roasted Blend, marveling at their uninhibited design coupled with war-time mythology, brute force and potential for intimidation (seeing how the race to "build a better tank" quickly turned into "building a bigger tank", for example).
Read more at http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2012/05/strangest-tanks-in-history-part-1.html#mB2XtKXrJvvJzI6C.99
http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2012/05/strangest-tanks-in-history-part-1.html
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[Lingekopf]

Mooie site! En het deed me genoegen dat veel van deze ontwerpen al in onze WIKI besproken waren!
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[Yvonne]

Lijst van gevechtsvoertuigen uit de Eerste Wereldoorlog:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_gevechtsvoertuigen_uit_de_Eerste_Wereldoorlog
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Topic weer wat leven inblazen:
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2017/11/08/beutepanzern/
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[Tandorini]

Ook op deze leuke blog:

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2012/05/strangest-tanks-in-history-part-1.html
http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2012/05/strangest-tanks-in-history-part-2-first.html